Both the Germans and the Japanese have excellent fire control, but the contest is unequal. The remaining Japanese cruisers and destroyers, having disposed of their German counterparts, open up with their own guns and fire their remaining torpedoes. Still, both German battleships remain shockingly resistant to the damage inflicted by the IJN. Large and with effective subdivisions, neither German ship suffers lethal damage. Increasingly accurate Japanese fire devastates the upper works of the German ships. As the clouds of war gather, Bismarck, Tirpitz, and a collection of smaller vessels (two heavy cruisers, six destroyers) abandon Tsingtao for the German naval base at Truk. A boarding party from Yukikaze embarks upon the crippled German ship, followed by damage control parties from the rest of the Japanese squadron. Bismarck is far better in fire control than Yamato (assuming 1941 for both). As all who have stated with hard, technical facts above, few (if any) of the big-gun warships ever created would have a chance against Yamato in a 1 vs 1 gun duel. 3. He serves as a Senior Lecturer at the Patterson School of Diplomacy and International Commerce at the University of Kentucky. Before long, the Japanese begin to reply with their 18.1” guns. Bismarck opens fire on Yamato and Tirpitz on Musashi, with Bismarck scoring an early hit on the Japanese flagship. Now Bismarck vs an Iowa class....that would be a good comparison. Yamato and her sister carried about twenty-two thousand tons of armor in modern (“all or nothing”) configuration. The Yamatos, on the … We will assume for our purposes that Germany would construct ships akin to the Bismarck and Tirpitz, and then deploy them to the Far East (in a shorter Great War, Germany might well have retained the naval base at Tsingtao). At a perfect 45 degree angle, the Yamato's turret armor was … Thread Status: Not open for further replies. Lutjens decides to attack before Japanese cruisers and destroyers can close into torpedo range; German intelligence is well-apprised of the capabilities of the Type 93 torpedo, designed to destroy and disable capital ships at a distance. Large and with effective subdivisions, neither German ship suffers lethal damage. © Copyright 2021 Center for the National Interest All Rights Reserved. By contrast, the 18.1” hits begin to do serious damage immediately, plunging into the German ships at great range. The remaining Japanese cruisers and destroyers, having disposed of their German counterparts, open up with their own guns and fire their remaining torpedoes. Yamato It was on that sister ship Musashi, The Largest Ship in History-And More Agile and Heavy Equipment Bismarck. As the clouds of war gather, Bismarck, Tirpitz, and a collection of smaller vessels (two heavy cruisers, six destroyers) abandon Tsingtao for the German naval base at Truk. © Copyright 2021 Center for the National Interest All Rights Reserved. Yamato takes Bismarck under tow until tugs arrive. U.S. Navy. Germany and the United Kingdom might plausibly have come to an accommodation on naval armaments that would have left the Reich with a free hand on the Continent in exchange for the security of the British Empire. Lutjens wants to engage before dark, when he knows that the Japanese will have a significant tactical advantage, despite German radar. Although large and capable of absorbing enormous battle damage, Bismarck and Tirpitz simply did not compare favorably with any other navy’s fast battleships. The SG is a 10cm or 3cm microwave set with a 360 degree sweep and PPI display. However, the Japanese have a clear geographic advantage; the existence of relatively close bases means that they can station squadrons of older, smaller ships along potential channels of exit. Both the Germans and the Japanese have excellent fire control, but the contest is unequal. The Bismarck class had eight fifteen-inch guns, each capable of hurling an armor piercing, capped round up to 21.75 miles. Bismarck was a well built ship based on the WWI Baden class but would get stomped by Yamato. Discussion in 'What If - Other' started by dasreich, Aug 16, 2002. The Yamato on the other hand lacked gunnery radar, but with the Bismarck’s going out I don’t see how that is a disadvantage. Bismarck was actually lost 8 months before Yamato was commissioned, but this is a hypothetical question, so that's okay. Yamato's armor was thicker: (belt: 16.6" @ 20 degree incline, deck: 9.1", turret faces: 25.6", barbettes: 21.5" vs Bismarck 12.6" verticle belt, 4.7" deck, 14.1" turret faces, 13.4" barbettes). Before long, the Japanese begin to reply with their 18.1” guns. Bismarck vs. Yamato. Just as Japan chafed against the existence of the British and American empires in Asia, it could well have come into conflict with Berlin. Bismarck vs yamato. So let’s forget World of Warships and the lists of stats for a minute and take a glance at history. Apart from the Iowas and HMS Vanguard, the Bismarcks and the Yamatos were the two largest classes of battleships ever built. His work includes military doctrine, national security and maritime affairs. However, the Japanese have a clear geographic advantage; the existence of relatively close bases means that they can station squadrons of … Although large and capable of absorbing enormous battle damage, Bismarck and Tirpitz simply did not compare favorably with any other navy’s fast battleships. Yamato and Musashi (both of which have suffered significant damage to their upper works and secondary armaments) close to point blank range. With Kido Butai (the Japanese carrier force) engaged elsewhere, the Imperial Japanese Navy assigns HIJMS Yamato and HIJMS Musashi (with a similarly constituted support group) the task of catching and destroying the German ships. With the assistance of the surrendered German crew, the Japanese manage to get the fires and flooding under control. The destroyers Yukikaze and Isokaze brave the secondary armament of the two German behemoths to close within torpedo distance, hitting both targets. Szybkość była istotnym elementem jej projektu. Bismarck opens fire on Yamato and Tirpitz on Musashi, with Bismarck scoring an early hit on the Japanese flagship. Bismarck was faster,.. Difficult, but not impossible. Battleship Shootout: KM Bismarck vs. USS Iowa vs. IJN Yamato vs. HMS King George V September 28, 2012 in General Topics The battleship , moreso than any kind of warship–excepting perhaps the man O’ war –was often the visual representation of a country’s military might. Could Hitler's super warship best the biggest battleship ever built? The Japanese advantages soon tell, and fire from both German ships becomes sporadic and inaccurate. A boarding party from Yukikaze embarks upon the crippled German ship, followed by damage control parties from the rest of the Japanese squadron. A German Empire emerging victorious from the Great War might well have sought to extend those territories, especially in China. At this point, the situation becomes academic. The long-legged German battleships, designed for raiding, would take to Pacific service well. It's more of a plausible scenario than you'd think. Robert Ballard found Bismarck in the Atlantic. Właśnie dlatego woleli pancerz niż zwrotność. The destroyers Yukikaze and Isokaze brave the secondary armament of the two German behemoths to close within torpedo distance, hitting both targets. His work includes military doctrine, national security, and maritime affairs. Yamato and Musashi, the largest and most powerfully built ships in history (although perhaps at some disadvantage relative to the American Iowas) utterly outclassed the German ships, and would have defeated them easily. More importantly, the imperial ambitions of Kaiserine Germany are worth remembering. Klasa Iowa została zbudowana, aby eskortować i współpracować z szybkimi przewoźnikami. Japanese gunfire slows the rest of the line, allowing several of the IJN’s support squadron to detach themselves and concentrate on the German battleships. With Kido Butai (the Japanese carrier force) engaged elsewhere, the Imperial Japanese Navy assigns HIJMS Yamato and HIJMS Musashi (with a similarly constituted support group) the task of catching and destroying the German ships. 24 October 1944. This might be more about UK shells though, and perhaps less of an issue between Bismarck and Yamato, See 1 - if you can see your enemy and they cant, it allows a more favourable starting position, and a greater ability to fight in bad weather/poor visibility. Zarówno klasy Bismarcka, jak i Yamato zostały zbudowane tak, aby radziły sobie z marynarkami numerycznie lepszymi od swoich. The Germans open fire first, when it becomes apparent that they cannot escape the fight. Yamato takes Bismarck under tow until tugs arrive. Forum rules. The fifteen-inch guns of Bismarck and Tirpitz fire at a greater rate than the Japanese guns, but even when they hit, they do relatively little damage to the vitals of the Japanese ships (although they extensively scar the upper works). The German squadron has a three-knot speed advantage, which it uses to try to pull away from the Japanese and avoid the engagement. The Wait is Over Here is the most Coolest Battle I've Ever Done Enjoy the video and Stay Awesome He blogs at Lawyers, Guns and Money, Information Dissemination and the Diplomat. However, before long both Bismarck and Tirpitz begin to lose speed, cutting off any chance of escape. He serves as a senior lecturer at the Patterson School of Diplomacy and International Commerce at the University of Kentucky. The Bismarcks carried about nineteen thousand tons of armor, albeit in an archaic configuration by World War II standards. Japan entered the Great War against the Central Powers as a coalition partner; if the coalition had broken up, Tokyo might still have found reason to quarrel with Berlin. Discussion in 'What If - Other' started by dasreich, Aug 16, 2002. The German ships lose the capacity to meaningfully engage the Japanese, and are subjected to withering fire from the battleships. More importantly, the imperial ambitions of Kaiserine Germany are worth remembering. The Bismarck's Seetakt are fixed in position and require the fire control crew to rotate the rangefinder turret to look in different directions with it. The Japanese advantages soon tell, and fire from both German ships becomes sporadic and inaccurate. Before long, the Japanese begin to reply with their 18.1” guns. We will assume for our purposes that Germany would construct ships akin to the Bismarck and Tirpitz, and then deploy them to the Far East (in a shorter Great War, Germany might well have retained the naval base at Tsingtao). Yamato and Musashi (both of which have suffered significant damage to their upper works and secondary armaments) close to point blank range. Two hours into the engagement, an explosion rocks Tirpitz; the crippled battleship soon capsizes and sinks. Yamato and Musashi, the largest and most powerfully built ships in history (although perhaps at some disadvantage relative to the American Iowas) utterly outclassed the German ships, and would have defeated them easily. Share. By contrast, the 18.1” hits begin to do serious damage immediately, plunging into the German ships at great range. Bismarck vs. Yamato: What if Hitler's Biggest Battleship Attacked Japan's Monster Warship? Still, both German battleships remain shockingly resistant to the damage inflicted by the IJN. The German squadron has a three-knot speed advantage, which it uses to try to pull away from the Japanese and avoid the engagement. The mythology that surrounds Bismarck stems largely from the destruction of just one ship. Robert Farley, The National Interest ... the German battleship Bismarck and the Japanese battleship Yamato, would come into conflict? Robert Farley, a frequent contributor to the National Interest, is author of The Battleship Book. The Japanese concentrate their fire on Bismarck, which has slowed to a stop and ceased firing. Bismarck opens fire on Yamato and Tirpitz on Musashi, with Bismarck scoring an early hit on the Japanese flagship. Bismarck was a fantastic-looking ship, although I think Yamato has a handsome look to her too, in a massive, awe-inspiring kinda way. After a flurry of shellfire on both sides, the Japanese ships open up at range with their twenty-four-inch “Long Lance” torpedoes. Yamato’s 18.1-inch guns were the largest ever mounted on a warship. Bismarck vs. Yamato. Japanese gunfire slows the rest of the line, allowing several of the IJN’s support squadron to detach themselves and concentrate on the German battleships. With the assistance of the surrendered German crew, the Japanese manage to get the fires and flooding under control. Both US and Japanese policy in the Pacific in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries (particularly the U.S. seizure of the Philippines) kept German regional ambitions firmly in mind. Lutjens wants to engage before dark, when he knows that the Japanese will have a significant tactical advantage, despite German radar. Her caliber was smaller-- 15in vs the Yamato's 18in shells, but the Yamato had known metallurgy problems in its armor. The long-legged German battleships, designed for raiding, would take to Pacific service well. Three German ships suffer hits, with a cruiser and a destroyer shearing out of line. The German ships lose the capacity to meaningfully engage the Japanese, and are subjected to withering fire from the battleships. Bismarck vs. Yamato (comparison) - YouTub . Three German ships suffer hits, with a cruiser and a destroyer shearing out of line. Robert Farley, a frequent contributor to TNI, is author of The Battleship Book. However, the Japanese have a clear geographic advantage; the existence of relatively close bases means that they can station squadrons of older, smaller ships along potential channels of exit. Bismarck was not sunk in port like some one said previously. The Germans open fire first, when it becomes apparent that they cannot escape the fight. Bismarck block coefficient is calculated as follows: CB = 44,900 mt / (241.55 m x 36 m x 9.33 m) = 0.55 4) The midship section coefficient (CM) is the ratio of the area of the underwater midship section (Am) of a ship at a particular draft to the area of a rectangle (the circumscribing rectangle) of the same breadth and draught as the ship. Japan entered the Great War against the Central Powers as a coalition partner; if the coalition had broken up, Tokyo might still have found reason to quarrel with Berlin. Most of her crew survives the war, however. The battle between the smaller ships also begins to go the Japanese way. Bismarck and her sister Tirpitz displaced about fifty thousand tons, with a speed of roughly thirty knots and an armament of eight fifteen-inch guns in four twin turrets. the Yamato would win 8-10 times a med or close fight on a level playing field but the Bismarck would win a long range fight because of its Superior accuracy and its … Most of her crew survives the war, however. But the Yamato also had very suspect damage control discipline, but would probably been nearly immune to the Bismarck’s main guns. Although officially taken into IJN service, Bismarck never returns to combat status; the expense and difficulty of refit prove too much for the Japanese. Image: Japanese battleship Yamato is hit by a bomb near her forward 460mm gun turret, during attacks by U.S. carrier planes as she transited the Sibuyan Sea. Before long, the Japanese begin to reply with their 18.1” guns. Both US and Japanese policy in the Pacific in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries (particularly the U.S. seizure of the Philippines) kept German regional ambitions firmly in mind. Yamato vs. Bismarck: Which Mega-Battleship Would Win A Showdown Between Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan? However, before long both Bismarck and Tirpitz begin to lose speed, cutting off any chance of escape. That's going to make it finding Bismarck much easier than Seetakt will be for finding North Carolina. Rather than fight with a collection of older battleships led by HIJMS Nagato, Admiral Lutjens decides to try his luck with the cream of the Imperial Japanese Navy. The Bismarcks carried about nineteen thousand tons of armor, albeit in an archaic configuration by World War II standards. Difficult, but not impossible. Share with: Link: Copy link. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. Before long, the Japanese begin to reply with their 18.1” guns. The fifteen-inch guns of Bismarck and Tirpitz fire at a greater rate than the Japanese guns, but even when they hit, they do relatively little damage to the vitals of the Japanese ships (although they extensively scar the upper works). The Japanese concentrate their fire on Bismarck, which has slowed to a stop and ceased firing. Bismarck Secondaries VS Yamato : World of Warships | Wows Bismarck vs Wows Yamato —————————————————————————————————————————– Today we find out just how strong the bismarcks secondaries truely are in world of warships when we put them against the yamato in a straight up 1v1. 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